“…Cf. also Cheng (2017), who takes the statement that the living being always suffers as a mere 'report' of the position of the physiologoi, which he qualifies as 'strange' , 'obscure' , 'idiosyncratic' , 'counter-intuitive' and 'extra-ordinary' , and which he considers to have 'absurd' consequences. Cheng partly seems to follow Warren (2007), who also takes the statement that 'the living being always suffers' as merely being the position of the physiologoi, but who does recognize that 'Aristotle appears prepared to endorse their view' , even though Warren also considers it 'odd' .…”