Agonistic Antagonistic Systemics: An Introduction To Bilateral — and Paradoxically Unilateral — Strategies

Bernard-Weil, E

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“…The type of modelling, resorting to the agonistic, antagonistic (AA) model, has been exposed in a paper from Kybernetes [12] and, more completely as far as AA networks were concerned, in [29].…”

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“…It is true, as indicated, that certain ways of considering the concept of autonomy, mainly in relation to the self-organization concept, risk generating doubt about the effectiveness of control processes, which were in fact one of the motives for the appearance of first order cybernetics. Another conception of the system's autonomy, perhaps existing at the back of Wiener's mind, gives us an explanation of the perverse or counter-intuitive effects of control, if they happen, and also a means to avoid them [12].…”

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“…The theoretical side of second order cybernetics often prevailed over the practical side, although, despite such occurrences, we may be interested in research which, even if no effective new strategies were established, has at least explained why reductionist methods of control should end in failure when systems are reluctant because of their autonomy. Nevertheless, literature on perverse or counter-intuitive effects did not in general emphasize some phenomena described as "pathological homoeostasis", that is, a type of autonomy particularly ill-suited to control, and asking for new strategies [12]. Thus, a very interesting issue of Kybernetes [15] on sociocybernetics showed that models did not allow adequate forecasts or controls when they did not incorporate self-steering human actors (T. Baumgartner).…”

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“…Belonging evidently to this trend in cybernetical control were techniques of learning derived from conversational theory (G. Pask) [19]. Other effective methods of control lying on similar bases have probably been proposed; we put among them bilateral or unilateral paradoxical strategies used in the field of medical practice [12].…”

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The Presence of Norbert Wiener in Both Order Cybernetics

Bernard-Weil

1994

Kybernetes

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When confronted with issues dealing with first and second order cybernetics, it seems that the manner of defining the former has been somewhat caricatured. The second appears to sometimes give rise to conclusions which are almost opposite to those of Wiener by questioning the possibility of a control for a system. We find in Wiener’s research a prefiguration of the autonomy concept, which, in our opinion, could bring an explanation – and a solution – in cases where control elicits some perverse effect; an acceptance of positive feedback if it serves a desired purpose; the central importance held for him by ergodic theory that we use in an addendum on imbalanced strange attractors control; the idea of a knowledge which may be the fruit of the control; an interest for logical paradoxes he put in relation to communication in nervous system; and already the notion of dialogue in the core of the relation man/man or man/machine. Of course, Wiener did not accord an equal development to all his insights, but we have not yet finished scrutinizing his writings. First and second order cybernetics perhaps form an agonistic/antagonistic couple of which neither element could overshadow the other.

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The Presence of Norbert Wiener in Both Order Cybernetics

Bernard-Weil

1994

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“…T he mathematical model for the regulation of agonistic antagonistic couples (MAMRAAC) [31][32][33] forms an AA couple with the empirical or insight model that has just been discussed.…”

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