We wish to dedicate this paper to Leo Breiman.Abstract. We present two main results, the first concerning Freund and Schapire's AdaBoost algorithm, and the second concerning Breiman's arc-gv algorithm. Our discussion of AdaBoost revolves around a circumstance called the case of "bounded edges", in which AdaBoost's convergence properties can be completely understood. Specifically, our first main result is that if AdaBoost's "edge" values fall into a small interval, a corresponding interval can be found for the asymptotic margin. A special case of this result closes an open theoretical question of Rätsch and Warmuth. Our main result concerning arc-gv is a convergence rate to a maximum margin solution. Both of these results are derived from an important tool called the "smooth margin", which is a differentiable approximation of the true margin for boosting algorithms.