Attitudes towards indirect translation in Finland and translators’ strategies: Compilative and collaborative translation

Ivaska, Laura; Paloposki, Outi

doi:10.1080/14781700.2017.1399819

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“…Suhteellisen pieni määrä Tynnin käännöksistä (11) perustuu esipuheen mukaan vanhoihin suomennoksiin. 3 Tekijänoikeudet ja uudelleenkääntäminen: historia ja lainsäädäntö Suomentajat ovat hyödyntäneet niin vanhoja muunkielisiä käännöksiä (Ivaska & Paloposki 2018) kuin aiempia suomennoksiakin (Hongisto & Taivalkoski-Shilov 2022).…”

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“…Tekijänoikeudellisesti tämä on merkittävää, sillä käännöksen tekijyys perustuu kääntäjän luovalle panokselle (Koposen et al 2022: 180-198). Tynni (1957) on määrittänyt toiminnan muokkaukseksi, ja koska ajan tapa salli runsaasti vaihtelua muokkaamisen ja uudelleenkääntämisen välillä (Paloposki & Koskinen 2010, Ivaska & Paloposki 2018, kutsun Tynnin versiota muokkaukseksi.…”

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Runojen uudelleensuomentaminen ja tekijyys

Turkia

2024

mikael

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For over a century, several Finnish literary translators have used existing translations as source texts alongside the ultimate source text. In indirectly translated poems, the different translators’ interpretations show in both the rhythm and the word choices. The anthology Tuhat laulujen vuotta (One Thousand Years of Songs, 1957) contains Finnish translations of poetry classics. The editor, Aale Tynni, translated 283 texts, 11 of them indirectly and included 89 mostly edited old translations. The original translators’ permission for the edits or for using their translations for retranslations was not asked. Moreover, Lauri Viljanen’s translation and Tynni’s retranslation of “A Toccata of Galuppi’s” (Robert Browning) share most of the rhythmical choices and several identical passages, rhymes, and interpretations. In contrast, Tynni’s edit of Viljanen’s translation of “La saison de semailles. Le soir” (Victor Hugo) has a different metric structure than Viljanen’s version. The Berne Convention (1889) prohibits publishing revised translations without the translator’s consent, but this type of activity can go unnoticed when sufficient information about the source text(s) is not published. Sometimes identifying the source texts requires extensive investigation. This study suggests that when detecting connections between poem translations, rhythm should also be considered.

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Runojen uudelleensuomentaminen ja tekijyys

Turkia

2024

mikael

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“…The following seven translations are marked as ITr in both the title pages and Fennica: Heikki Kaskimies's translations of Vassilikos's Valokuvat and Z, Vappu Roos's translation of Kazantzakis's Kerro minulle, Zorbas, and Matti Kannosto and Jorma Kapari's translation Samarakis's Erehdys are all based on French mediating texts; Marikki Makkonen translated Zei's Tämä on sotaa, Petros and Villikissa katsoo lasin takaa via English; and Matti Miikkulainen's translations of Vassilikos's trilogy Lehti, Kaivo, Enkeli: Trilogia were done via Swedish. Since no evidence suggests otherwise, this information will not be refuted; it is unlikely that someone in contemporary Finland would claim a direct translation to be an ITr because ITrs carry negative connotations (see Ivaska & Paloposki 2018). 5 Similarly, according to both Fennica and the title page, Aarno Peromies's translation of Kazantzakis's Tilinteko El Grecolle is based on a German mediating text.…”

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Identifying (indirect) translations and their source languages in the Finnish National Bibliography Fennica

Ivaska

2020

mikael

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Containing information on translations, bibliographies like Fennica, the Finnish National Bibliography, offer a great basis for translation studies research. However, the metadata on translations' source languages/texts is often wanting. In this article, I discuss reasons for this and suggest how bibliographical metadata could be made more reliable. This article builds upon a case study in which the (indirect) Finnish translations of Modern Greek novels and their (mediating) source languages are determined. A list of translations and information on their source languages/texts is retrieved from Fennica. Then, the list is compared with other bibliographies to make sure it is complete, and paratextual material is analyzed to ascertain the (mediating) source languages of the translations. The study shows that the information on the (mediating) source languages/texts in Fennica may be incorrect because there are coding errors in the metadata, or incomplete or missing because the books themselves have inaccurate title/copyright page information. Also, the mediating languages are reported in the bibliography in an inconsistent manner. The situation could be ameliorated by standardizing title/copyright page information, by using a specific field for the language of the mediating translation in the metadata format, and by collectively gathering and implementing amendments into the metadata.

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“…Indirect translation has only recently been given proper attention by translation scholars, as seen in the number of important publications relating to indirect translation in recent years (see Assis Rosa, Pięta and Maia 2017;Ivaska and Paloposki 2018;Marin-Lacarta 2017;Pięta 2014;Pięta 2017). For the most part, an indirect translation is often seen in a negative light, primarily because it is produced not from the original source text but based on an intermediary text which is a translation of the source text.…”

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From French into Malay via English: The Indirect Translation of Henri Fauconnier’s Malaisie into Malay

Zainol¹,

Haroon²

2019

KAJH

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An indirect translation is a translation in language C which is produced not from the source text in language A but based on a mediating text in language B which itself is a translation of the source text. One issue arising from indirect translation is the issue of fidelity, that is, the extent to which the translation reflects the original source text due to the presence of the mediating text. The aim of this paper is to examine this issue by focusing on a translation in Malay entitled Nurani Tanah Melayu, the English mediating text, The Soul of Malaya and the French source text, Malaisie. More specifically, the paper aims to determine the types of relationship that exist between the three texts and to establish the changes made by the translator in the process of translating. Ultimately, the aim is to establish whether the process of indirect translation produces a translated text that deviates from the original text and if so, whether the mediating text plays a role in the deviations that occur. For this purpose, a comparison is carried out between the three texts with the aim of establishing the similarities and differences between them. The findings indicate that the deviations from the French source text in the Malay translation are not necessarily due to the mediating text. Additionally, in cases where the Malay translation reflects the French source text, the adherence to the French text is not necessarily due to the assistance the mediating text.

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Attitudes towards indirect translation in Finland and translators’ strategies: Compilative and collaborative translation

Cited by 15 publications

References 18 publications

Runojen uudelleensuomentaminen ja tekijyys

Runojen uudelleensuomentaminen ja tekijyys

Identifying (indirect) translations and their source languages in the Finnish National Bibliography Fennica

From French into Malay via English: The Indirect Translation of Henri Fauconnier’s Malaisie into Malay

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