“…Koch may be right, and I am grateful to her for expanding the lens such that liberalism, not simply various institutional differences across liberal democracies, becomes an important factor in understanding the politics of crime and punishment. This has been pointed out to me elsewhere (see Threadcraft and Miller (2017); also Peter Ramsey's comments at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology in Philadelphia, 2017), and I confess that some of this is beyond my expertise. But it is also true that, whatever the limitations of the liberal state may be, the intensive use of the veto points of American politics, by whites, to block social benefits of any kind to blacks, is a crucial part of the crime and punishment story in US politics and one that cannot be reduced to liberalism alone (comments which were echoed by Naomi Murakawa and Megan Ming Francis at LSA).…”