“…None of this changes the need to respect that for many the taking of individuals as specimens for scientific research is abhorrent and unacceptable (see, for example, discussions in Remsen 1995Remsen , 1997Bekoff & Elzanowski 1997;Minteer et al 2014;Russo et al 2017). Equally, there are those who feel that scientific collection of specimens, while of course needing to be done sensibly, sensitively and with checks and balances (Costello et al 2016), ultimately is what underpins the scientific order we try to bring to understanding, conserving and managing the populations that comprise biodiversity (Remsen 1997;Winker & Withrow 2017;Schmitt et al 2018). The gap between these two views may never be fully bridged.…”