“…Coupled DEM/large eddy simulations by Liu et al (2019) of a grain saltating along a fixed quadratically arranged (i.e., idealized) bed driven by water showed a skewed streamwise velocity distribution and, consistently, a substantial difference in the average streamwise grain motion when compared with simulations in which turbulent fluctuations were turned off. In contrast, experiments indicate symmetric Gaussian-like distributions of the streamwise velocity of energetic grains in natural aeolian and fluvial NST along random close packed (i.e., nonidealized) erodible beds (Ancey & Pascal, 2020;Heyman et al, 2016;Kang et al, 2008;Shim & Duan, 2019). We take this as evidence that, for natural conditions, the second requirement is approximately satisfied, though we recognize the potential of making a substantial error when assuming that the fluctuating turbulent flow can be approximated by its mean for modeling the mean motion of energetic grains.…”