Comparative end-to-end research evaluations of large research entities like countries, agencies or institutions need to separate out the bibliometric part of the chain from the econometric part. Both size-dependent and size-independent terms play a crucial role to combine quantity and quality (impact) in a meaningful way. Output or outcome at the bibliometric level can be measured using zeroth, first or second-order composite indicators, and the productivity or efficiency terms follow accordingly using the input to output or outcome factors.Keywords: Bibliometrics, composite indicators, comparative research evaluation, size-dependent indicators, size-independent indicators.RECENTLY, Savithri and Prathap 1 compared the research performance of leading higher education institutions in India and China using an end-to-end bibliometric performance analysis procedure with data from the 2014 release of the SCImago Institutions Rankings (SIR). Six primary and secondary bibliometric indicators were used to summarize the chain of activity: input-outputexcellence-outcome-productivity. Principal component analysis (PCA) indicated that the primary indicators are orthogonal and represent size-dependent quantity and size-independent quality/productivity dimensions respectively. Composite indicators which combine sizedependent and size-independent terms are also needed to measure output and outcome. Using this insight, twodimensional maps can be used to visualize the results 1 . Abramo and D'Angelo 2,3 have recently looked at the issue of measuring performance and productivity of research organizations and the role that size-independent citation indicators play in this. They argue that the use of size-independent citation indicators from the bibliometric part of the chain to rank institutions for performance is poor practice and instead only the productivity measures from the econometric outer loop of assessment must be used.In the discussion below, we reconcile the positions taken by Savithri and Prathap 1 and Abramo and D'Angelo 2-4 by separating the bibliometric core of the chain (measuring output or outcome using bibliometric indicators) from the econometric part of the chain (the outcome or output to input ratios). It was clear that to arrive at meaningful summary statistical indicators for performance and productivity, size-dependent, sizeindependent and composite indicators play a key role. We first introduce the role of size-dependent and sizeindependent indicators in the bibliometric part of the evaluation chain. We show that performance can then be evaluated at various levels, namely a zeroth-order, a firstorder or even a second-order using composite indicators derived from the size-dependent and size-independent terms. To complete the evaluation chain, we take up the econometric part where efficiency of the research production process is represented in terms of output and outcome productivities.An evocative analogy for understanding the relationship of size-dependent to size-independent factors in all measurement is A...