“…The findings from Experiment 1 showed that people are pretty accurate at placing a ladder at the most stable position, erring on the side of placing the ladder slightly too shallow, as had been found in previous work (Häkkinen, Pesonen, & Rajamäki, 1988;Irvine & Vejvoda, 1977). This also fits the results of palm board and forearm tasks for near surfaces , in which gains are~1, and also with manmade and geographical slants when there is no anchoring (e.g., Shaffer, McManama, & Durgin, 2015;Shaffer, McManama, Swank, Williams, & Durgin, 2014;Shaffer & Taylor, 2017). However, whereas the gains of free-hand or forearm measures are typically 1 for near surfaces and greater than 1 but less than the gains of verbal (over)estimates for geographical and ramp surfaces (i.e., steeper than the surface itself), the ladder placement was close to but shallower than the most stable position.…”