2013
DOI: 10.1103/physrevd.87.084061
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Gibbs paradox, black hole entropy, and the thermodynamics of isolated horizons

Abstract: This letter presents a new, solely thermodynamical argument for considering the states of the quantum isolated horizon of a black hole as distinguishable. We claim that only if the states are distinguishable, the thermodynamic entropy is an extensive quantity and can be well-defined. To show this, we make a comparison with a classical ideal gas system whose statistical description makes only sense if an additional 1/N !-factor is included in the state counting in order to cure the Gibbs paradox. The case of th… Show more

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“…We believe that even though the statements made in [23] are correct in their context, their validity is only a peculiarity of the effective models where such results were derived. Moreover, in such models where no holographic feature (5) is present among other things because matter degrees of freedom are completely ignored, BH entropy will not grow linearly with A/ 2 p if punctures are taken to be indistinguishable [14,24]. It is only when one includes the effect of matter through (5) that indistinguishability leads to the correct leading-order entropy and the correct leading order temperature.…”
Section: Indistinguishability or Not Indistinguishability?mentioning
confidence: 99%
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“…We believe that even though the statements made in [23] are correct in their context, their validity is only a peculiarity of the effective models where such results were derived. Moreover, in such models where no holographic feature (5) is present among other things because matter degrees of freedom are completely ignored, BH entropy will not grow linearly with A/ 2 p if punctures are taken to be indistinguishable [14,24]. It is only when one includes the effect of matter through (5) that indistinguishability leads to the correct leading-order entropy and the correct leading order temperature.…”
Section: Indistinguishability or Not Indistinguishability?mentioning
confidence: 99%
“…There has been some discussions in the past about the issue of statistics of the punctures that define the quantum black hole states [13,14,24]. In this section, we explore the consequences of assuming that punctures are indistinguishable excitations of the quantum geometry of the horizon.…”
Section: A Modeling Indistiguishability With the Gibbs Factormentioning
confidence: 99%
“…Moreover, in loop quantum gravity, the holographic entropy can be derived by counting the DOFs on the isolated horizon of a black hole, which consists of horizon punctures pierced by the edges of spin network. In [19] these punctures are confirmed to be distinguishable and the corresponding Gibbs paradox is analyzed. Moreover, it is proved in [20,21] that infinite statistics (quantum Boltzmann statistics) saturates the holographic entropy bound.…”
Section: Discussionmentioning
confidence: 99%
“…This choice drastically influences the quantum statistics of the model and is well motivated in the LQG literature [6,[30][31][32][33]. We want to revise the supporting arguments here.…”
Section: Distinguishability Of Horizon Statesmentioning
confidence: 98%
“…The total number of punctures is denoted by N ¼ P k=2 j n j and the combinatorial prefactor indicates that in the purely gravitational case the punctures are considered as distinguishable [6,[31][32][33]. Since the level of k the theory is proportional to a H =l 2 p it is convenient to assume the limit k → ∞ of (26) giving…”
Section: B Lqg Black Hole Model and Its Statistical Mechanicsmentioning
confidence: 99%