Abstract. Nucleation involving sulfuric acid and water has been studied in a photolytic flow reactor over a time period of several years. Results show that the system – flow reactor, gas supplies and lines, flow meters, valves, H2SO4 photo-oxidant sources – has a baseline stability that yields nucleation information such as cluster free energies. The baseline nucleation rate is punctuated by temporary bursts that in many instances are linked to cylinder changes, delineating this source of potential contaminants. Diagnostics were performed to better understand the system include growth studies to assess H2SO4 levels, chemiluminescent NO and NOx detection to assess the HONO source, and deployment of a second particle detector to assess the nanoparticle detection system. The growth studies show trends consistent with calculated H2SO4 levels and also provide an anchor for H2SO4 concentrations. The chemiluminescent detector revealed that small amounts of NO are present in the HONO source, ∼10 % of HONO. The second, condensation-type particle counter indicates that the nanoparticle sizing system has a bias at low sulfuric acid levels. Modeling studies yield nucleation rates as a function of sulfuric acid concentration that probably represent upper limits to nucleation in the binary system, H2SO4-H2O, as contaminants might act to enhance nucleation rates or ion-mediated nucleation may contribute. Nonetheless, the experimental nucleation rates are some of the lowest reported so far in experiments where sulfuric acid is photolytically-generated. Results from experiments with varying water content and with ammonia addition are also described. The energetics of clusters in this three component system reveal a challenging interplay between the components (e.g. previously reported ion-mediated and homogeneous rates are unintentionally similar) and experiments indicate water plays a significant role in nucleation involving sulfuric acid and ammonia.