“…For very chaotic systems, if we still have m us m, then NILSS and NILSAS may still be competitive in computational efficiency; at least, the idea of the 'non-intrusive' formulation, that is, reducing the computation to unstable subspace, will still be important. Current investigation on some computersimulated fluid systems all have m us ≤ 0.1%m [32,36,39,40], but we do not yet have a good estimation for very chaotic systems. On the other hand, there are systems with m us ≈ m, such as Hamiltonian systems, which has equally many stable and unstable CLVs; for these systems, NILSS or NILSAS may not be faster than other methods.…”