The human rights of people with disability Historically the mental health human rights movement derived human rights for people with mental illnesses from other rights movements. The disability rights movement co-opted techniques from women's rights and black rights movements, and in turn the mental health consumer movement took many cues from the broader disability movement. People with mental illness were relative latecomers to civil and disability rights activism. They were left out of these movements because they were still institutionalized when this movement was gathering steam, and partly because of the stigmatized views from within the movement, that individuals with psychotic disorders were too violent, volatile, or irrational, and unable to meaningfully participate in empowerment (Cook and Jonikas 2002). There is now a clearly defined advocacy sector that is overt in trying to define disability rights. Various nations have enacted disability legislation, culminating in international disability rights conventions 'in an attempt to articulate what social justice means for people with disabilities in receipt of government funded services. ' (Robin Banks-PIAC personal communication). Whereas the old paradigm for disability viewed a disabled person who cannot function because of a particular impairment, the current paradigm assumes that, whether the disability is physical or psychiatric, the person needs some specific aid or accommodation in order to function. In this 'social model' , disability is socially constructed, essentially in social and/or environmental terms (see Belfer et al. in this volume). While self-determination is an important component of the current aspirations of the recovery movement involving individuals with mental illness, claims for total self-determination seem over-idealized and unrealistic. Practical conceptions of selfdetermination and autonomy must allow for a balance with interdependence , social connectedness, and the social aspirations or will of real communities (Cook and Jonikas 2002). Consequently autonomous living with a disability becomes a dynamic interaction between the characteristics of the individual and the features of their social, cultural, natural, and built environment (Cook and Jonikas 2002). To maximize self-determination of those involved, we need to consult with individuals with psychiatric disabilities, their families, and other stakeholders regarding what this would take for each person or group.