La charte de Niquinta, analyse formelle

Dalarun, Jacques; Dufour, Annie; Grondeux, Anne; Muzerelle, Denis; Zinelli, Fabio

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“…Con todo, y por encima de tales diferencias aparentemente irreconciliables, hubo un acuerdo en la necesidad de someter la carta de Niquinta a una crítica formal, encomendada a los especialistas del Institut de Recherche et d'Histoire des textes. El minucioso análisis del documento concluyó con la defensa de su autenticidad por parte de los especialistas del Institut 14 , y dicho dictamen pesaría forzosamente en las conclusiones del congreso. De este modo, y pese a la obstinación de los defensores de la invención de la carta de Niquinta, la misma Monique Zerner llegaría a admitir en dichas conclusiones que «il n'est plus possible de soutenir que Besse a inventé tout le contenu de la charte de Niquinta, comme j'en avais fait l'hypothè-se» 15 .…”

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“…Guillaume Besse difícilmente podía poseer conocimiento alguno sobre la vinculación de lugares como el Valle de Arán o Lleida con el catarismo, y sin embargo mantuvo dichas menciones a pesar de que la presencia de una comunidad cátara en la ciudad occitana de Agen, por ejemplo, le habría resultado mucho más comprensible, tal como explica Denis Muzerelle 80 . Recordemos, sin ir más lejos, que fue precisamente esta misma dificultad para interpretar la presencia de localizaciones hispánicas en la carta de Niquinta la que llevó a Brial a buscar al topónimo «Leridam» una alternativa que establecía como referente geográfico de la división de dos de las mayores demarcaciones cátaras del Languedoc un improbable riachuelo que desaparecería como efecto de la apertura del Canal de Midi.…”

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La Carta de Niquinta y la "Ecclesia Aranensis" : una reflexión sobre los orígenes del catarismo en Cataluña

Chopo¹

2008

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La carta de Niquinta es un documento controvertido que, pese a ello, contiene algunas claves que pueden ser muy útiles para establecer las líneas básicas de la penetración del catarismo en Cataluña. De este modo, la presencia de una delegación del Valle de Arán en la asamblea herética de Saint-Félix de Caraman en 1167 y la mención de «Leridam» como límite meridional de la iglesia disidente, son dos indicios que señalan la antigüedad de los primeros contactos con la herejía, así como sus principales vías de propagación.The Charter of Niquinta is a controversial document that, nevertheless, contains some keys which can be very useful to establish the fundamental bases for the penetration of Catharism in Catalonia. Thus, the presence of a delegation of the Valley of Aran in the heretical Council of Saint-Félix-de-Caraman in 1167 and the mention of «Leridam» as the southern boundary of the dissident church are two signs that show the antiquity of the first contacts with the heresy, as well as its main ways of spreading.

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La Carta de Niquinta y la "Ecclesia Aranensis" : una reflexión sobre los orígenes del catarismo en Cataluña

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2008

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If not Bogomilism than What? The Origins of Catharism in the Light of the Sources 

Czarnecki

2021

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Since the end of the twentieth Century the traditional interpretation of Catharism, assuming it’s Eastern roots and dualist character is the object of a harsh criticism, formulated by the deconstructionist scholars. The moderated version of their new interpretation assumes that dualism didn’t play an important role in Catharism, and that the Cathar “dissidence” was not influenced by the Eastern dualist heresies (especially Bogomilism), but appeared independently in the West. According to the radical version Catharism didn’t exist at all and contemporary scholars should accept a new paradigm – Middle-Ages without Catharism.The aim of this article is to examine the source arguments, which stand behind both interpretations – on one side the arguments concerning the contacts of the Cahars with the Eastern dualists, with special attention paid to the time of their emergence and character of these relations, and on the other the arguments concerning Cathar dualist doctrines, which according to the deconstructionists were constructed arbitrarily by the Catholic polemists, basing on the ancient anti-heretical works, especially anti-Manichaean writings of St. Augustine. The article will try to find the answer to the question if the Cathar doctrines described in the Catholic sources are indeed so closely similar to the Manichaean teachings known from St. Augustine and at the same time so different from the Bogomil dualism. The analysis of the sources will show if the new interpretation is based on the arguments that are strong enough to overthrow the traditional one and if it the theory assuming lack of Bogomil influence can be considered as a serious alternative.

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Authenticity of the “Interrogatio” Iohannis in the Light of Contemporary Deconstructionist Source Criticism

Czarnecki

2023

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Scholars of Catharism representing the deconstructionist current in the recent years continue their struggle with the traditional interpretation of this heresy which underlines its dualistic character and strong connections with Eastern dualisms – especially with Bogomilism. Their tactics is focused primarily on questioning the authenticity of the sources confirming Cathar dualism and its Eastern roots. Such sources are presented as forgeries invented by the Catholics trying to discredit the “dissidents”. This tactic is directed primarily against the sources of heretical provenience, which are the strongest arguments against the deconstructionist interpretation. Previously, the deconstructionist scholars questioned the acts of the Cathar council in Saint-Felix-De-Caraman, and the so-called “Manichaean treatise” – a Cathar theological work aimed at proving ontological dualism based on the specific interpretation of numerous biblical passages. Currently the deconstructionists speak about the need for verification of another Cathar dualistic treatise – Liber De Duobus pricipiis. Considering this we may expect that soon also the Interrogatio Iohannis will be questioned, as it is a crucial source confirming both the dualism of the Cathars and their dependence on the Bogomils. Before it happens I decided to take a closer look at this apocryphal text. Through the analysis of its doctrine in the light of the Eastern sources concerning the Bogomils I am going to answer the question of whether this work, known only from the Latin manuscripts, indeed could have been created by the Bogomils and if it is possible to question its authenticity using the patterns used by the deconstructionist scholars.

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La charte de Niquinta, analyse formelle

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La Carta de Niquinta y la "Ecclesia Aranensis" : una reflexión sobre los orígenes del catarismo en Cataluña

La Carta de Niquinta y la "Ecclesia Aranensis" : una reflexión sobre los orígenes del catarismo en Cataluña

If not Bogomilism than What? The Origins of Catharism in the Light of the Sources

Authenticity of the “Interrogatio” Iohannis in the Light of Contemporary Deconstructionist Source Criticism

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