We appreciate the thoughtful comments of T.R. Meling and the support of a constructive strategy regarding unruptured brain AVM. The results of the ARUBA trial have been widely commented on and the weaknesses of the study have been pointed out, i.e., the lack of differentiation between Spetzler-Martin grades and treatment modalities, and the fact that the effect of microsurgical removal was not assessed by the study design [4,8,9]. The report of the Scottish Audit of Intracranial Vascular Malformations drew less attention, but provided essentially the same result that intervention led to a worse outcome compared to the natural history [1]. The results of ARUBA and the Scottish Audit of Intracranial Vascular Malformations showed an almost identical pattern of strokes following intervention, with initially a higher rate of events than in untreated patients and secondary regression to the rate of the natural history. Therefore, we have to accept that the way we have been treating unruptured AVM was not right and needs correction.As pointed out by Meling, the treatment-associated morbidity rates as given in the ARUBA trial, and also the Scottish Audit, are very different from the rates given in microsurgical series. The high morbidity rates of ARUBA and the Scottish Audit are the footprint of destabilized and incompletely eliminated AVM, i.e., the pattern of endovascular embolization [19]. Without any doubt, radiosurgery contributed to the continuing stroke rate in the interventional cohorts but was unlikely a major factor for the increased rate following intervention.Despite the obvious pattern of the delayed hemorrhages in the ARUBA and the Scottish Audit cohorts, questions remain. All non-randomized series provided rates of stroke after microsurgery, radiosurgery, and embolization far below the 9-10 % per year rate of ARUBA and the Scottish Audit. Probability of hemorrhage after successful microsurgery appears, however, to be approximately one-tenth the rate after endovascular embolization, according to the meta-analysis of van Beijnum [19]. Although the numbers of hemorrhages given in nonrandomized series remain far below the incidence rates in ARUBA and the Scottish cohort, it appears likely that endovascular therapy was the primary factor for the exorbitant event rate following intervention. Analyzing all published series, van Beijnum and coworkers found reported annual hemorrhage rates of 0.18 % after microsurgery 1.7 % after stereotactic radiosurgery and 1.7 % after embolization. The obvious destabilizing effect resulting from treatment as seen in the ARUBA and Scottish Audit cohorts is hardly explainable by radiosurgery.Endovascular intranidal embolization emerged in the 1980s as a minimally invasive alternative to surgical elimination. It was soon realized, however, that complete elimination could not be routinely achieved. The introduction of Onyx, offering more controllable intranidal dispersion, did not change the picture fundamentally, achieving complete elimination in maximally 50 % [5,13,16]. Emboliza...