The minerals of carletonite group, fluorcarletonite, KNa4Ca4[Si8O18](CO3)4(F,OH)·H2O, and carletonite, Na4Ca4[Si8O18](CO3)4(OH,F)·H2O, were investigated using a multi-method approach. A detailed comparative chemical study of the minerals is carried out by means of electron probe microanalysis and Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy. Here, we report on the successful crystal structure refinement of two natural compounds. Using the X-ray techniques and the results obtained, geometrical and distortion characteristics of the mineral structures are calculated and provided in this paper. With the use of spectroscopic and luminescence methods and ab initio calculations, it is shown that hole defects (CO3) •are responsible for the coloration of the studied samples. Luminescence due to 5d-4f transition in Ce 3+ ions is observed in both investigated compounds. Moreover, the luminescence attributed to intrinsic luminescence, corresponding to the decay of electronic excitations of (CO3) 2complexes in carletonites, is registered for the first time in phyllosilicates. An analysis of the optical absorption spectra and g-