We thank Begg and colleagues and Ilett and Hackett for their comments. We are very pleased to extend the discussion on prediction of milk levels of drugs. As will be made clear soon, we have calculated M/P ratios in different ways, including the Begg's formula for logP app . Because our published paper unified 2 original papers, some of the calculations were done but not published and we are pleased to present them here. None of these permutations help to improve the predictive value of the model.At the Motherisk program in Toronto, we counsel up to 170 women daily on drug exposure in pregnancy and 30 women daily on drug use during lactation. For most of these drugs, there are no satisfactory experimental M/P ratios; hence, we are painfully aware of the need for a solid prediction model.The model created by Begg and colleagues in the 1980s was very appealing, as it used simple physicochemical properties available for most drugs. As a first critical step in validating any model, we had to identify a gold standard, that is, a list of drugs for which there are satisfactory experimental M/P ratios.1 It is important to note that most drugs used by Begg et al.2 to validate their model in 1992 do not have sufficient kinetic data fulfilling our criteria of gold standard.The results of the logP shown by us use a completely pH-independent constant. We of course also calculated logD at pH 7.2 using logD(7) and logD(8) from SciFinder and extrapolating it to pH 7.2. For basic drugs, the correlation between experimental versus predicted logD(7.2) values has an r value of 0.08. Most critically, the mean ± SD of the error of predicted versus experimental is 63.5% ± 109% (range 3-783%; median 39%). We further examined the precision of just predicted M/P values above unity (leaving out small M/P ratios where a big difference is clinically not important). Here too, the mean error is 90% ± 148% (14-783%; median 61%). The results for acidic drugs are even more disappointing: mean error 1247% ± 634% (median 1388%).Hence, while Begg and colleagues may describe a small list of drugs where their predicted M/P ratios are close to experimental data, when one looks at all 78 studies (69 drugs) where there are sufficient data on the gold standard M/P ratio, the predictive value is low. Almost identical results are achieved when using a formula for logP app 7.2 calculated from logD(7) by the formula proposed by Atkinson and Begg in 1988. 3 This is not surprising, as the logP app at pH 7.2 is identical between the 2 methods of its estimation (r 2 = 0.99). Why is it so difficult to predict M/P ratios in humans? First, it is becoming clear that the mammary epithelium has a large number of active transporters which, of course, work against simple physicochemical properties.4 Second, Begg et al. based their predictions on simulating the ability of milk lipid to bind and retain drugs. However, this does not resolve or necessarily reflect the ability of drugs to cross the lipid epithelial layer. Third, as shown above, most drugs used in the Atkinso...