Held (2006a;2006b) has critiqued my position (Miller, 2004; Miller, 2006a) that the centrality of suffering to clinical practice in psychology makes moral concerns also inherent in, and central to, clinical judgment and practice. Held does not deny the importance of basic human suffering or moral concerns to the clinical situation. Instead, she denies the claim that the objective elements of a clinical situation are inextricably entwined with moral issues. Held defends the position that there is an objective component to clinical practice that can be separated from moral concerns by distinguishing between moral and ethical values, and separating the means from the ends of psychotherapy. Her defense of the existence of causal mechanisms in clinical problems and interventions is dependent on the position that reasons are causes, and her view that the clinical generalizations from a case study database are causal claims. In response, I distinguish between the bare-bones factual account of a person's behavior that is objective but clinically impoverished, and a full scale clinical judgment imbued with moral import. The game of chess is examined as an example of a reason-governed interpersonal practice in which reasons for acting can be distinguished from causes of behavior.Key words: clinical wisdom; epistemology of practice; moral philosophy _____________________________________________________________________________________ I shall confine myself again to those portions of the Held (2006b) paper in question that directly comment on my views on the nature of clinical knowledge and clinical research. I believe that I am correct in asserting that Barbara Held and I share a deep commitment to developing a discipline of clinical psychology that requires us to be guided by reason, emotional integrity, evidence, and a moral commitment to attempt to alleviate human suffering. These are complex and reflexive problems. Reason, morality, and emotion (and to a lesser extent, evidence) are also matters of concern in the clinical situation itself. To be considering the role that these factors play in the epistemology of clinical psychology is doubly vexing. In talking about how reason, evidence, emotion, and moral concern intersect in the creation of knowledge we are not referring only the development of the client's problem, but also to the therapist's understanding of the client's problem, and the articulation and conceptualization of that understanding into clinical theory. It is this complexity that places upon us yet another