Proceedings of the Joint Meeting of the Twenty-Third EACSL Annual Conference on Computer Science Logic (CSL) and the Twenty-Nin 2014
DOI: 10.1145/2603088.2603098
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Separating regular languages with first-order logic

Abstract: Abstract. Given two languages, a separator is a third language that contains the first one and is disjoint from the second one. We investigate the following decision problem, called separation: given two regular languages of finite words, decide whether there exists a firstorder definable separator. A more general problem was solved in an algebraic framework by Henckell in 1988, although the connection with separation was pointed out only in 1996, by Almeida. The result was then generalized by Henckell, Steinb… Show more

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“…Recently, a research effort has been made to investigate this problem from a radically different perspective, with the aim of finding new and self-contained proofs relying on elementary ideas and notions from language theory only. Such proofs were obtained for several results already known in the algebraic framework [Czerwiński et al 2013;Place et al 2013b;Place and Zeitoun 2014b;Place et al 2013a;Place and Zeitoun 2016]. This paper is a continuation of this effort for classes that were not solved even in the algebraic setting: we solve the separation problem for Σ 2 (<), and we use our solution as a basis to obtain decidable characterizations for the classes BΣ 2 (<), ∆ 3 (<) and Σ 3 (<).Our proof works as follows: given two regular languages, one can easily construct a morphism α from A * into a finite monoid M that recognizes both languages.…”
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confidence: 93%
“…Recently, a research effort has been made to investigate this problem from a radically different perspective, with the aim of finding new and self-contained proofs relying on elementary ideas and notions from language theory only. Such proofs were obtained for several results already known in the algebraic framework [Czerwiński et al 2013;Place et al 2013b;Place and Zeitoun 2014b;Place et al 2013a;Place and Zeitoun 2016]. This paper is a continuation of this effort for classes that were not solved even in the algebraic setting: we solve the separation problem for Σ 2 (<), and we use our solution as a basis to obtain decidable characterizations for the classes BΣ 2 (<), ∆ 3 (<) and Σ 3 (<).Our proof works as follows: given two regular languages, one can easily construct a morphism α from A * into a finite monoid M that recognizes both languages.…”
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“…However, the motivations are disconnected from our own, and the proofs rely on deep, purely algebraic arguments. Recently, a research effort has been made to investigate this problem from a different perspective, with the aim of finding new and self-contained proofs relying on elementary ideas and notions from language theory only [8,16,19,17]. This paper is a continuation of this effort: we solve the separation problem for Σ 2 , and use our solution as a basis to obtain decidable characterizations for BΣ 2 , ∆ 3 and Σ 3 .…”
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“…In the case of the pseudovariety A, a structural algorithm for computing pointlike sets of finite semigroups has been obtained by Henckell [12]. Generalizations and more transparent and shorter proofs can be found in [16] and in [22] (the latter paper being based on the interpretation of pointlike sets from [3]). Algorithms with the same flavor have been obtained in [7] for the pseudovarieties J and R. Similar techniques to the ones developed in [22] have been applied to show that the pointlike sets of size 2 of the pseudovariety DA are also effectively computable [21].…”
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confidence: 99%