Structures of two derivatives of the curved¯uoradene ring system (C 19 H 12 ) have been determined. Both have phases that are highly pseudosymmetric. At room temperature crystals of 7b-triisopropylsilyl¯uoradene (C 28 H 32 Si) have a P " 1 cell that contains two independent molecules (Z = 2) and that is almost centered. Crystals of 7b-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)¯uoradene (C 25 H 14 N 2 O 4 ) have both a P2 1 /c cell with Z = 1 and a P2 1 /c cell with Z = 2. The molecular volumes in these two P2 1 /c structures differ by 0.7%, but the structures are otherwise virtually the same; the two independent molecules in the larger cell are related by a pseudotranslation. Some of the atomic ellipsoids in the P2 1 /c, Z = 1 structure are very large and eccentric, and there are some hints in the diffraction pattern of an incipient phase transition, but the Z = 1 and Z = 2 phases are clearly different. The P2 1 /c, Z = 2 crystal at 295 K probably contains some volume fraction of the Z = 1 phase; when the temperature is lowered to 273 K this fraction is decreased markedly. The pronounced pseudosymmetry in the P " 1 and P2 1 /c structures that have Z = 2 has been investigated by analysing the atomic coordinates, by performing re®ne-ments in the smaller pseudocells and by making separate Wilson plots for the classes of re¯ections which are systematically strong and systematically weak. All three approaches are informative, but they reveal different information. Leastsquares ®ts of coordinates of corresponding atoms measure the similarity of the molecular conformations. The Wilson plots allow a quantitative comparison of the intensities of the strong and weak re¯ections and thus an assessment of the deviations of the true structure from the smaller pseudocell structure. Comparison of the atomic displacements obtained in the full and pseudocell re®nements shows where the structural distortions are largest and provides an indication of their directions."