We prove a tree-of-tangles theorem and a tangle-tree duality theorem for abstract separation systems → S that are submodular in the structural sense that, for every pair of oriented separations, → S contains either their meet or their join defined in some universe U of separations containing → S . This holds, and is widely used, if U comes with a submodular order function and → S consists of all its separations up to some fixed order. Our result is that for the proofs of these two theorems, which are central to abstract tangle theory, it suffices to assume the above structural consequence for → S , and no order function is needed.Abstract separation systems were first introduced in [8]; see there for a gentle formal introduction and any terminology we forgot to define below. Motivation for why they are interesting can be found in the introductory sections of [11,13,12] and in [14]. In what follows we provide a self-contained account of just the definitions and basic facts about abstract separation systems that we need in this paper.A separation system ( → S , ≤, * ) is a partially ordered set with an order-reversing involution * :S is → s * , which we usually denote by ← s . An (unoriented) sepas separation systems. For separation universes, therefore, submodularity is used with the narrower meaning of being endowed with a submodular order function [8].