Abstract. We quantify certain features of algebraic triangulated categories using the 'norder', an invariant that measures how strongly n annihilates objects of the form Y /n. We show that the n-order of an algebraic triangulated category is infinite, and that the p-order of the p-local stable homotopy category is exactly p − 1, for any prime p. In particular, the p-local stable homotopy category is not algebraic.