In their reply, McDonald et al. have misconstrued several crucial points from our article. In this counter-response, we clarify our concerns with the Standards as a document with global implications. We highlight our concern with framing preindustrial indigenous peoples' impacts as natural and the colonial connotations of such an assumption. We also discuss practical issues that arise from the Standards' conceptualization of natural variation and suggest avenues for developing frameworks that do not rely on a nature-culture dichotomy or naturalization of indigenous landscapes.
Conceptual Implications• The concept of naturalness is too ideologically driven and culture-specific to function as a standard for global ecological restoration. • While in theory the Standards provide space for the ecological restoration of cultural ecosystems, in practice it is unlikely that cultural landscapes will qualify for ecological restoration given the narrow parameters of the Standards. • Data are severely lacking to identify the "range of natural variation" for most restoration projects where humans have been present for thousands of years and even in cases where this is possible, it is unlikely to lead to baselines within an appropriate timescale for ecological restoration.