In this work we consider the list-decodability and list-recoverability of arbitrary q-ary codes, for all integer values of q ě 2. A code is called pp, Lqq-list-decodable if every radius pn Hamming ball contains less than L codewords; pp, ℓ, Lqq-list-recoverability is a generalization where we place radius pn Hamming balls on every point of a combinatorial rectangle with side length ℓ and again stipulate that there be less than L codewords.Our main contribution is to precisely calculate the maximum value of p for which there exist infinite families of positive rate pp, ℓ, Lqq-list-recoverable codes, the quantity we call the zero-rate threshold. Denoting this value by p˚, we in fact show that codes correcting a p˚`ε fraction of errors must have size Oεp1q, i.e., independent of n. Such a result is typically referred to as a "Plotkin bound." To complement this, a standard random code with expurgation construction shows that there exist positive rate codes correcting a p˚´ε fraction of errors. We also follow a classical proof template (typically attributed to Elias and Bassalygo) to derive from the zero-rate threshold other tradeoffs between rate and decoding radius for list-decoding and list-recovery.Technically, proving the Plotkin bound boils down to demonstrating the Schur convexity of a certain function defined on the q-simplex as well as the convexity of a univariate function derived from it. We remark that an earlier argument claimed similar results for q-ary list-decoding; however, we point out that this earlier proof is flawed.