Borel separation rank of an analytic ideal I on ω is the minimal ordinal α < ω 1 such that there is S ∈ Σ 0 1+α with I ⊆ S and I ⋆ ∩ S = ∅, where I ⋆ is the filter dual to the ideal I. Answering in negative a question of G. Debs and J. Saint Raymond [Fund. Math. 204 (2009), no. 3], we construct a Borel ideal of rank > 2 which does not contain an isomorphic copy of the ideal Fin 3 .• J contains an isomorphic copy of I (I ⊑ J ) if there is a bijection f :J → I such that: