2020
DOI: 10.48550/arxiv.2006.16056
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Wigner's convoluted friends

Abstract: Considering a complicated extension of a Wigner's friend scenario, Frauchiger and Renner (FR) allegedly showed that "quantum theory cannot consistently describe the use of itself". However, such a result has been under severe criticism, as it has been convincingly argued to crucially depend on an implicit, non-trivial assumption regarding details of the collapse mechanism. In consequence, the result is not as robust or general as intended. On top of all this, in this work we show that a much simpler arrangemen… Show more

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“…A further unitary, implementing an inference via rule C from F 's inference about w at n ∶ 31 to F 's certainty that w = fail at n ∶ 31 or a null inference to 'no conclusion drawn,' results in the state ψ⟩ n∶14 = 1 3 tails⟩ R "r = tails, so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F ↑⟩ S "z = + 1 2 , so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F + 1 3 tails⟩ R "r = tails, so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F ↓⟩ S "I observed z = − 1 2 ; no conclusion drawn"⟩ F + 1 3 heads⟩ R "r = heads, so no conclusion drawn"⟩ F ↓⟩ S "I observed z = − 1 2 ; no conclusion drawn"⟩ F (7) Continuing in this way, and transforming to the basis { ok⟩, fail⟩} of L defined in the experimental protocol above, we find that after W 's measurement and inferences from the outcome of his measurement (to F 's certainty about z via rule Q, and hence from F 's certainty about w at n ∶ 31 to W 's certainty about w at n ∶ 31 via rule C, or to 'no conclusion drawn'), the global state has the form Ψ⟩ n∶24 = 1 6 fail⟩ L "w = fail; no conclusion drawn"⟩ W ↑⟩ S "z = + 1 2 , so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F − 1 6 ok⟩ L "w = ok, so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ W ↑⟩ S "z = + 1 2 , so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F + 2 3 fail⟩ L "w = ok; no conclusion drawn"⟩ W ↓⟩ S "z = − 1 2 ; no conclusion drawn"⟩ F…”
Section: The Frauchiger-renner Argument Does Not Assume Nor Needs To ...mentioning
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“…A further unitary, implementing an inference via rule C from F 's inference about w at n ∶ 31 to F 's certainty that w = fail at n ∶ 31 or a null inference to 'no conclusion drawn,' results in the state ψ⟩ n∶14 = 1 3 tails⟩ R "r = tails, so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F ↑⟩ S "z = + 1 2 , so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F + 1 3 tails⟩ R "r = tails, so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F ↓⟩ S "I observed z = − 1 2 ; no conclusion drawn"⟩ F + 1 3 heads⟩ R "r = heads, so no conclusion drawn"⟩ F ↓⟩ S "I observed z = − 1 2 ; no conclusion drawn"⟩ F (7) Continuing in this way, and transforming to the basis { ok⟩, fail⟩} of L defined in the experimental protocol above, we find that after W 's measurement and inferences from the outcome of his measurement (to F 's certainty about z via rule Q, and hence from F 's certainty about w at n ∶ 31 to W 's certainty about w at n ∶ 31 via rule C, or to 'no conclusion drawn'), the global state has the form Ψ⟩ n∶24 = 1 6 fail⟩ L "w = fail; no conclusion drawn"⟩ W ↑⟩ S "z = + 1 2 , so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F − 1 6 ok⟩ L "w = ok, so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ W ↑⟩ S "z = + 1 2 , so I am certain that w = fail at n ∶ 31"⟩ F + 2 3 fail⟩ L "w = ok; no conclusion drawn"⟩ W ↓⟩ S "z = − 1 2 ; no conclusion drawn"⟩ F…”
Section: The Frauchiger-renner Argument Does Not Assume Nor Needs To ...mentioning
confidence: 97%
“…What comes to much the same thing is the claim that the argument assumes that when an agent in an isolated laboratory performs a measurement, the state collapses inside the laboratory, but not outside. Muciño and Okon [7] argue that, in addition to the three rules, Frauchiger and Renner implicitly invoke the assumption:…”
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“…Several authors (e.g. [5]) have pointed out that the argument relies on more assumptions than the three rules Q, C and S; in particular, that a measurement leads to projection of the quantum state to an eigenstate of the measured observable, at least for some observers [3]. Bub denies this.…”
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