21. Law School Economics: Ka-Ching!. The New York Times

Segal, David Simha; Starkman, Dean; Hamilton, Martha; Chittum, Ryan; Salmon, Felix

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“…8 Since the recent economic downturn, lawyers and law students in the United States have taken up the charge, albeit with a different meaning. Their complaint is that there is not enough legal work to justify the number of lawyers (Segal, 2011b).…”

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“…[10] The increasing difficulty for many US law graduates of recouping the cost of higher education through a career in law practice is now well recognized (Segal, 2011b).…”

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“…In the early twentieth century, the legal profession in the United States was viewed as a vehicle for social mobility for lower-income individuals because entry was relatively inexpensive and little capital was required to establish a law practice (Auerbach, 1976). Today, however, it is questionable whether law will remain an affordable path to social mobility other than for those admitted to toptier law schools or who receive scholarships to attend law school (Segal, 2011b). In 2012, many students borrow more than $100,000 to attend private law schools (Tamanaha, 2012).…”

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The flood of US lawyers: natural fluctuation or professional climate change?

Green

2012

International Journal of the Legal Profession

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This paper considers how US courts, which regulate the US legal profession, should respond to the perceived excess of lawyers (i.e. to the lack of adequate employment opportunities for lawyers). It begins by summarizing the courts' regulatory role. It then situates the contemporary flood-of-lawyers problem in the unavailability of well-paid legal work, not in the absence of a need for lawyers' services: many people need lawyers, but they cannot afford them. Next, the paper explores whether the problem is simply a product of natural economic fluctuation which will be solved naturally, particularly if potential law school applicants become better informed, and suggests that the problem is at least in part an artificial product of professional regulation. Finally, the paper explores possible regulatory solutions, concluding with the possibility of eliminating lawyers who perform adequate but lowest-quality work. It concludes that using regulatory means of lowering the tide of lawyers is not viable.

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“…[10] The increasing difficulty for many US law graduates of recouping the cost of higher education through a career in law practice is now well recognized (Segal, 2011b).…”

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2012

International Journal of the Legal Profession

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“…Law schools have long emphasized the theoretical over the useful, with classes that are often overstuffed with antiquated distinctions, like the variety of property law in post-feudal England. (Segal, 2011).…”

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La reforma curricular en los estudios de Derecho: la integración de la práctica.

Casey

2014

REDU

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ResumenLa formación de los profesionales del Derecho en los Estados Unidos se encuentra en un momento de crisis. Se enfrenta simultáneamente a severas críticas y a la presión de las fuerzas del mercado, por lo que debe cambiar para poder sobrevivir. La educación experiencial ofrece la posibilidad de incrementar la relevancia del aprendizaje de la práctica del Derecho en la formación de los futuros juristas y un gran número de Escuelas de Derecho han puesto ya en marcha nuevos programas formativos en los que los estudiantes aprenden a través de la experiencia. Este artículo proporciona una visión general de la formación jurídica y explica como surgió Reforming the legal curriculum: Integration into the practice. Timothy CaseyCalifornia Western School of Law, U.S.A. AbstractLegal education in the United States is at a crisis point. Simultaneously confronting scathing critiques and mounting market forces, legal education must change to survive. Experiential education offers the hope of increasing the relevance of legal education to the practice of law, and many law schools have adopted new programs where students learn through experience. This article provides an overview of legal education and describes the rise of experiential legal education. The article concludes with a description of an innovative program that integrates the practice in the joint enterprise of educating tomorrow's lawyers. 66La reforma curricular en los estudios de Derecho: la integración de la práctica REDU. Revista de Docencia Universitaria, número extraordinario 2014, 12 (3), 65-91 el enfoque de la educación basada en la experiencia en este sector, concluyendo con la descripción de un programa innovador que integra la práctica en la empresa conjuntamente con la formación de los abogados del mañana.Palabras clave: educación experiencial, práctica reflexiva, reforma de la formación jurídica, formación jurídica en los Estados Unidos, reflexión, clínica, educación clínica, clínica jurídica, formación jurídica clínica, Programa STEPPS, California Western School of Law, pedagogía, formación jurídica.

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“…Current complaints in the United States that there are too many lawyers are mostly made by those seeking to enter the profession (or those who have newly entered in the recent economic downturn). A series of articles in the popular media (Segal, 2011a(Segal, , 2011b, and now a series of lawsuits against a number of law schools arguing that they have over-claimed and misrepresented employment possibilities for graduates (Anziska, 2012;Shear, 2012), 4 mostly have to do with the ratio of highly paid (large law firm) jobs to the numbers of students graduating from law school with large debt (often between $100,000 and $150,000) who seek those highly paid (formerly up to $160,000 per year) jobs. Ironically, in some markets, with low-tuition state schools and employment pipelines to smaller firms or government agencies, employment rates may actually be more robust (or at least not declining at the same rate as in some big city markets).…”

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Too many lawyers? Or should lawyers be doing other things?

Menkel‐Meadow¹

2012

International Journal of the Legal Profession

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This paper from the Symposium/Conference at Onati on Too Many Lawyers? suggests that there are not too many lawyers, nor too much legal education. Instead we should think about what legal education is 'good' for (what should those with a legal education do?), including problem solving, dispute resolution and reallocation of legal services for those underserved. The paper looks at how other professions (business consulting and architecture) have reframed themselves for new conditions of work -with varying supply and demand changes in their relevant fields. The paper also discusses implications for legal education of a broader conception of what lawyers learn and do.

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21. Law School Economics: Ka-Ching!. The New York Times

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The flood of US lawyers: natural fluctuation or professional climate change?

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La reforma curricular en los estudios de Derecho: la integración de la práctica.

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