“…Furthermore, some recent studies cast doubt on the added effectiveness of in-person contact-based interventions compared to others and that online contact can also be effective (Jorm, 2020;Imperato et al, 2021). Alternatively, the ASI might not have the sensitivity to measure a further decrease in stigma in the Kenyan context, as our program of research, especially our qualitative findings (Clair et al, 2022a(Clair et al, , 2022b, supports a further decrease in stigma during that period (Clair et al, 2016a(Clair et al, , 2016b(Clair et al, , 2016c(Clair et al, , 2019. Findings for eDATA-K suggest that there was not only a further reduction in stigma but that the stigma reduction, alongside increased self-efficacy, promoted large changes in behaviors in health workers, as well as being by the RCT participants (Clair et al, 2022b) and that those stigma changes promoted the continuation of the services after the end of the RCT (Clair et al, 2022a(Clair et al, , 2022b.…”