The vast majority of work in preventing and countering and violent extremism (P/CVE) involves working 'upstream' of the problem to focus more on prevention and addressing risk factors that produce violent extremism in ways that police-led counterterrorism (CT) is generally not able to do (Romaniuk, 2015;Rosand et al., 2018). There are good reasons for this focus, not the least being that it is always better, where possible, to prevent rather than to cure. But whilst we must constantly strive to achieve as much success in prevention as we can, we also need to face the reality that some, overwhelming the young, will be ensnared by the false charms of recruiters offering belonging, purpose and the hollow