“…Charge transfer associated with surface growth or sublimation has been noted by everyone who has worked in the area of collisional ice charging in clouds. The relative growth rate theory discussed below, has its origins in the often observed result that growing ice surfaces charge positively, while sublimating ice surfaces charge negatively, as noted by Findeisen (1940), Findeisen and Findeisen (1943), Buser and Aufdermaur (1977), Marshall et al (1978), Gaskell and Illingworth (1980), Jayaratne et al (1983), Rydock and Williams (1991), Caranti et al (1991), Dong and Hallett (1992), Saunders et al (1993), Scavuzzo et al (1995) and Mason and Dash (2000). Most of these experiments were carried out by artificially cooling or heating an ice surface while its surface was removed by collisions or by fragmentation, thus the laboratory simulations are not representative of the conditions in real clouds.…”