Results are presented from four experiments in which comparisons were made between isogenic sterile and fertile plants of maize to study the effects of grain content on yield and quality of shoot dry matter. In two experiments comparisons were made over a range of densities, extending from 5 to 25 plants/m 2 in 1972 and 5 to 20 plants/ m a in 1973. The other two experiments, grown in 1974 at a density of 10 plants/m 2 , were sampled 30, 60 and 90 days after flowering.In 1972 and 1973 yield of shoot dry material was about 10 % higher in fertile plants at the lowest density, 5 plants/m 2 , but grain formation had a negligible effect at higher densities. In 1974, at 10 plants/m 2 , the yield advantage for fertile plants was 6-7 %. These results are in line with other European data, but show a much smaller effect of grain formation on shoot dry matter yield than is normally recorded in USA trials. The discrepancies probably reflect differences in environmental conditions. Absence of grain had little effect on contents of nitrogen, ash and in vitro digestible dry matter, and increased content of pepsin soluble material and hot water soluble carbohydrates. Percentage content of dry matter in the shoot was higher in fertile plants in 1973, and during the later stages of crop development in 1974.The results suggest that the importance attached to high grain content as an essential requirement for yield and quality in forage maize is exaggerated, and that the restriction of maize breeding and testing programmes to assessments of grain production, in the belief that the best grain varieties will also be best for forage, can no longer be justified in northern European countries.