“…This observation has implications for the debate about the best temperature at which to house mice to provide the best translation to studies of humans (( Fischer et al., 2018 , 2019 ; Ganeshan and Chawla, 2017 ; Gordon, 2017 ; Keijer et al., 2019a , b ; Li and Speakman, 2022 ; Maloney et al., 2014 ; Speakman and Keijer, 2014 ). Although it is generally agreed that keeping mice at 20–22°C is too cold, the present data suggest that the widely promoted alternative of keeping them at 30°C because a) that is mouse thermoneutral, and b) humans always live at thermoneutral, is based on an error in the second statement.…”