“…Examples where initial atmospheric conditions can provide predictability beyond the usually assumed limit have been demonstrated, not only for the extratropics but also for the tropics, and we now know that in some situations, for example when sudden stratospheric warmings occur, the initial conditions in the stratosphere can have more impact than initial conditions in the ocean Polvani et al, 2017). This suggests that initial atmospheric conditions in the stratosphere are likely to be more important for long-range forecasts than previously assumed (Mukougawa et al, 2005(Mukougawa et al, , 2009Stockdale et al, 2015;Noguchi et al, 2016Noguchi et al, , 2020aChoi and Son, 2019;O'Reilly et al, 2019;Nie et al, 2019), not least because the overturning and breaking of Rossby waves in the stratosphere is followed by long-lived atmospheric anomalies due to synoptic-scale eddy feedbacks that prolong the effects in the troposphere (Kunz and Greatbatch, 2013;Kang et al, 2011a;White et al, 2020). More research on the initial conditions in the stratosphere might therefore help to reveal potential for further improvements in prediction skill.…”