“…Canada School of Pub lic Service, 2016a; see also Delivery Associates, n.d.b). In Canada, at the outset of his first mandate, Justin Trudeau, as Prime Minister of Canada, turned to Barber with his storytelling approach and more supple evidence hierarchy (see Dobell & Zussman, 2018;Puttick & Ludlow, 2013;Shepherd, 2018) instead of contracting to experts in public policy and public administration for guidance in implement ing, rather than delivering, the Liberal Party of Canada's platform. It is important to note that, for Barber, evidence that a policy is working lies in achieving a set of chosen targets set by the executive level of government, whereas for evaluators and scholars, the aspirational standards are set in light of the policy goals and require the production of valid and reliable data using scientific methods to determine the policy's relevance, eff ectiveness, efficiency, impact, and sustainability in achieving positive intended outcomes.…”