“…Despite the abundant literature discussing the problems with using remnant or reconstructed old-growth and or mature second-growth forests to predict future forest composition and structure this process is still used to develop management guidelines in many forest types (Kupfer and Franklin, 2000;Leathwick, 2001;Dai et al, 2003;Palik et al, 2003; and see discussions in Goebel and Hix, 1996;Fule et al, 1997;Hix and Pearcy, 1997;Mast et al, 1999;Millar and Wolfenden, 1999;www.elsevier.com/locate/foreco Forest Ecology and Management 223 (2006) 200-210 Hobbs and Harris, 2001;Allen et al, 2002;Fule et al, 2002). In this paper we tested the hypothesis that future vegetation patterns can be predicted based solely on the abiotic site characteristics of old-growth forest remnants.…”